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		<title>By: Jennifer E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked in a dollar store many years ago, I was restocking some shelves near the toy department and overheard a little boy and his mom. The boy had picked out a &quot;pink&quot; toy, and the mom refused to buy it because it was &quot;for girls&quot;. I have been mindful of the gender issues in children ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked in a dollar store many years ago, I was restocking some shelves near the toy department and overheard a little boy and his mom. The boy had picked out a &#8220;pink&#8221; toy, and the mom refused to buy it because it was &#8220;for girls&#8221;. I have been mindful of the gender issues in children ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: Ticia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ticia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came at it from a different viewpoint on the whole princess thing.  I&#039;ve been teaching my daughter that she is a princess, because a princess is a valuable thing who can change her world, and is someone to be fought for, not treated like trash.  However, my princess loves Batman and gets into sword fights with her brothers, and does quite well.

I&#039;ve also taught my boys that they are knights, and they have jobs too.  Their job is to protect their sister and Mom, and to help others who need it.

It&#039;s a work in progress, and we&#039;re still working out the kinks, but so far, I have a girl covered in pink, because she did decide on that as her favorite color who is wrestling with boys.  So, we got a bit of the middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came at it from a different viewpoint on the whole princess thing.  I&#8217;ve been teaching my daughter that she is a princess, because a princess is a valuable thing who can change her world, and is someone to be fought for, not treated like trash.  However, my princess loves Batman and gets into sword fights with her brothers, and does quite well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also taught my boys that they are knights, and they have jobs too.  Their job is to protect their sister and Mom, and to help others who need it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a work in progress, and we&#8217;re still working out the kinks, but so far, I have a girl covered in pink, because she did decide on that as her favorite color who is wrestling with boys.  So, we got a bit of the middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This film is definitely cute and classic.  From a girl&#039;s point of view, this girl and boy are doing just what little girls and boys do.  Little girls like to play dress up, pretend to get married, play mommy, and play house.  Little boys pretend to be super heros, pirates, and soldiers - and girls are yucky.  Is this because as parents we lead our children to believe that is what is expected of them?  

For the most part children copy what they see and hear around them.  They see the sterotypes that the adults around them set before them.  Even in this day and age, women are the care givers and men are the bread winners.  Pink is for girls and blue is for boys.  From birth we lead our children to believe that this is the way the world works.  

When we decided to have a baby we wanted a girl.  We got a boy and now we are both thankful.  In my opinion there is too much pressure on girls these days to look pretty, be thin, and wear sexy clothing.  Sometimes I can not believe some of the clothing I see little girls wearing.  

As parents it is our responsibility to raise our children to believe in themselves for who they are and not feel the need to have to change to meet anyone&#039;s expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This film is definitely cute and classic.  From a girl&#8217;s point of view, this girl and boy are doing just what little girls and boys do.  Little girls like to play dress up, pretend to get married, play mommy, and play house.  Little boys pretend to be super heros, pirates, and soldiers &#8211; and girls are yucky.  Is this because as parents we lead our children to believe that is what is expected of them?  </p>
<p>For the most part children copy what they see and hear around them.  They see the sterotypes that the adults around them set before them.  Even in this day and age, women are the care givers and men are the bread winners.  Pink is for girls and blue is for boys.  From birth we lead our children to believe that this is the way the world works.  </p>
<p>When we decided to have a baby we wanted a girl.  We got a boy and now we are both thankful.  In my opinion there is too much pressure on girls these days to look pretty, be thin, and wear sexy clothing.  Sometimes I can not believe some of the clothing I see little girls wearing.  </p>
<p>As parents it is our responsibility to raise our children to believe in themselves for who they are and not feel the need to have to change to meet anyone&#8217;s expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around here instead of aiming for &quot;gender neutral&quot; we aim more for &quot;gender equality&quot; in terms of toys.  We have a dolls, trucks, fairy princess outfits, and blocks.  My son&#039;s favorite toys for a while were those tiny My Little Pony toys and while not my taste and not sure why he decided he wanted them, after several months of him asking for them we bought him some.  We still occasionally play ponies.  

While I don&#039;t want to encourage the &quot;a girl&#039;s worth is in her appearance&quot; meme, I also don&#039;t want to shun things that are (in our society) viewed as feminine and aid in the continuation of our society viewing those things as less worthy because of their gender association.  I&#039;m glad girls can wear pants and play with cars without anyone thinking twice about it, I hope that someday boys can wear skirts/dresses and play with baby dolls without eyebrows being raised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around here instead of aiming for &#8220;gender neutral&#8221; we aim more for &#8220;gender equality&#8221; in terms of toys.  We have a dolls, trucks, fairy princess outfits, and blocks.  My son&#8217;s favorite toys for a while were those tiny My Little Pony toys and while not my taste and not sure why he decided he wanted them, after several months of him asking for them we bought him some.  We still occasionally play ponies.  </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t want to encourage the &#8220;a girl&#8217;s worth is in her appearance&#8221; meme, I also don&#8217;t want to shun things that are (in our society) viewed as feminine and aid in the continuation of our society viewing those things as less worthy because of their gender association.  I&#8217;m glad girls can wear pants and play with cars without anyone thinking twice about it, I hope that someday boys can wear skirts/dresses and play with baby dolls without eyebrows being raised.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you AJ.  I did not like the short film for many of the same reasons you put forth.  I watched it before reading your full article and didn&#039;t catch the after the credit moment which to me made the whole thing that much worse.

I have a son and we are mindful of gender stereotypes but perhaps not nearly as mindful as we would be if we had a girl.  Sadly I think there is still more sexism and pressure to confirm to stereotypes for women then men in our society.  Though I think there is a growing problem with male stereotypes and gender roles in our society too.  This issue is one that gets me fired up because I have been challenging gender roles in one way or another all my life.  There are definitely some very entrenched biases in our culture that I feel need to be changed for the good of everyone.

My son&#039;s clothes have been pretty genderless since birth, we also steer clear of slogans and licensed characters.  Most of what we are doing at this point is just limiting media in general so very little TV and his toys are all pretty neutral.  I also am very lucky to have a wonderful husband who is an awesome role model.  We both work and we both split the household chores like cooking, cleaning and laundry.

If I did have a girl I think we would be pretty close to what you have suggested.  There wouldn&#039;t be a complete ban on all things pink, girly or princess but I would definitely not be buying those things without deep consideration and would work in ways to discourage buying into the female gender roles plastered all over our society.

When it comes right down to it I don&#039;t see taking some precautions to avoid or challenging gender stereotypes as indoctrinating my children to my beliefs but more as leveling the playing field so they can be freer to decide what they REALLY are interested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you AJ.  I did not like the short film for many of the same reasons you put forth.  I watched it before reading your full article and didn&#8217;t catch the after the credit moment which to me made the whole thing that much worse.</p>
<p>I have a son and we are mindful of gender stereotypes but perhaps not nearly as mindful as we would be if we had a girl.  Sadly I think there is still more sexism and pressure to confirm to stereotypes for women then men in our society.  Though I think there is a growing problem with male stereotypes and gender roles in our society too.  This issue is one that gets me fired up because I have been challenging gender roles in one way or another all my life.  There are definitely some very entrenched biases in our culture that I feel need to be changed for the good of everyone.</p>
<p>My son&#8217;s clothes have been pretty genderless since birth, we also steer clear of slogans and licensed characters.  Most of what we are doing at this point is just limiting media in general so very little TV and his toys are all pretty neutral.  I also am very lucky to have a wonderful husband who is an awesome role model.  We both work and we both split the household chores like cooking, cleaning and laundry.</p>
<p>If I did have a girl I think we would be pretty close to what you have suggested.  There wouldn&#8217;t be a complete ban on all things pink, girly or princess but I would definitely not be buying those things without deep consideration and would work in ways to discourage buying into the female gender roles plastered all over our society.</p>
<p>When it comes right down to it I don&#8217;t see taking some precautions to avoid or challenging gender stereotypes as indoctrinating my children to my beliefs but more as leveling the playing field so they can be freer to decide what they REALLY are interested in.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I still roll my eyes at the stereotypes in the film. And yes, there are messages in the film that I would never teach my daughter. First and foremost, never change who you are for the sake of love.

If I come off as brusk, well, that&#039;s sort of a mindset I get into when I encounter gender stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I still roll my eyes at the stereotypes in the film. And yes, there are messages in the film that I would never teach my daughter. First and foremost, never change who you are for the sake of love.</p>
<p>If I come off as brusk, well, that&#8217;s sort of a mindset I get into when I encounter gender stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: bfos7215</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfos7215</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s all it is, that&#039;s fine.  But, the tone of the article, especially the beginning, is that it is bad for girls to come anywhere near the girly &quot;stereotype&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s all it is, that&#8217;s fine.  But, the tone of the article, especially the beginning, is that it is bad for girls to come anywhere near the girly &#8220;stereotype&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, pink is mostly limited to North America and Europe and places we&#039;ve exported our culture. A century ago the colors assignments were reversed. Pink was boyish; blue was girlish. Some people blame Disney (the color of princess dresses changing), but I expect Disney was reflecting a change in our culture.

The pink-blue thing begins before birth with decorating the baby&#039;s room. Then pink Onesies, and later seeing other girls wearing pink and playing with pink toys. Girls merely embrace the pink world that has been set before them.

I know I&#039;m in the minority. I&#039;m just here to say it&#039;s possible for a parent to choose against pink and have it be okay. The only caveat is that you have to warn parents ahead of time with respect to birthday gifts. 

We haven&#039;t banned pink though. My daughter has a pink princess gown for dress-up play, but she also has a firefighter&#039;s outfit and other non-girly things. But I won&#039;t buy a toy that has been intentionally pinkified, such as a pink Etch-a-sketch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, pink is mostly limited to North America and Europe and places we&#8217;ve exported our culture. A century ago the colors assignments were reversed. Pink was boyish; blue was girlish. Some people blame Disney (the color of princess dresses changing), but I expect Disney was reflecting a change in our culture.</p>
<p>The pink-blue thing begins before birth with decorating the baby&#8217;s room. Then pink Onesies, and later seeing other girls wearing pink and playing with pink toys. Girls merely embrace the pink world that has been set before them.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m in the minority. I&#8217;m just here to say it&#8217;s possible for a parent to choose against pink and have it be okay. The only caveat is that you have to warn parents ahead of time with respect to birthday gifts. </p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t banned pink though. My daughter has a pink princess gown for dress-up play, but she also has a firefighter&#8217;s outfit and other non-girly things. But I won&#8217;t buy a toy that has been intentionally pinkified, such as a pink Etch-a-sketch.</p>
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		<title>By: Magda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how different the film would be if, instead of the little boy, there would be a second little girl who was absorbed with different little girl things, wanting to be one of the &quot;big girls.&quot;  Viewing it this way, I don&#039;t think it would change the message much.

The way I see it, the little girl tries to make a friend who will play games she likes with her.  She goes out of her way to try to conform to what the little boy likes, but after succeeding where he fails, she realizes that listening to his ideas isn&#039;t getting her anywhere, and that her ideas are just as good, even if they are different (or, in this case, &quot;pink&quot;).

When I was really little, I loved pink and purple ... but I also loved Legos and Lincoln Logs.  As I got older, I started to disdain things for being &quot;girly.&quot;  Last year I realized that pink is a good color on me ... and was uncomfortable with it, &#039;cause it&#039;s &quot;girly.&quot;  I understand the need to make sure that a child&#039;s horizons are not needlessly narrowed, but what&#039;s wrong with liking &quot;girly&quot; things?  (Not including specifically &quot;romantic&quot; or &quot;sexed&quot; examples, like short skirts.)

My father didn&#039;t want me to have a Barbie because she was materialistic, not because she was pink.  I remember playing with my one Barbie doll: her head went on and off.  I played with my friend&#039;s Barbie playhouse, too: stick Barbie in the elevator, slam it up to the top and she&#039;d come flying out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how different the film would be if, instead of the little boy, there would be a second little girl who was absorbed with different little girl things, wanting to be one of the &#8220;big girls.&#8221;  Viewing it this way, I don&#8217;t think it would change the message much.</p>
<p>The way I see it, the little girl tries to make a friend who will play games she likes with her.  She goes out of her way to try to conform to what the little boy likes, but after succeeding where he fails, she realizes that listening to his ideas isn&#8217;t getting her anywhere, and that her ideas are just as good, even if they are different (or, in this case, &#8220;pink&#8221;).</p>
<p>When I was really little, I loved pink and purple &#8230; but I also loved Legos and Lincoln Logs.  As I got older, I started to disdain things for being &#8220;girly.&#8221;  Last year I realized that pink is a good color on me &#8230; and was uncomfortable with it, &#8217;cause it&#8217;s &#8220;girly.&#8221;  I understand the need to make sure that a child&#8217;s horizons are not needlessly narrowed, but what&#8217;s wrong with liking &#8220;girly&#8221; things?  (Not including specifically &#8220;romantic&#8221; or &#8220;sexed&#8221; examples, like short skirts.)</p>
<p>My father didn&#8217;t want me to have a Barbie because she was materialistic, not because she was pink.  I remember playing with my one Barbie doll: her head went on and off.  I played with my friend&#8217;s Barbie playhouse, too: stick Barbie in the elevator, slam it up to the top and she&#8217;d come flying out!</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I do disagree with the idea that a love for pink sparkly things is a parent induced preference.  My daughter, who was dressed in bright reds and other primary colors as often if not more than pink, whose bedroom is decorated in red, etc., is in. LOVE. with. pink.

Can we change that?  No.  But we do encourage that she try things on that aren&#039;t pink, or that she play with toys that aren&#039;t sparkly princess paraphenalia.  

And as a result?  She&#039;ll happily play dinosaurs and cars as often as she plays baby dolls or wears fairy wings.  

But the love of pink and sparkles?  I certainly didn&#039;t do a whit to encourage that.  it just was.  And is.

I think it&#039;s important, no matter what your child&#039;s preference, to teach your kids to embrace the idea that nothing is ever, ever out of reach based on the fact that you&#039;re of a particular gender.  

(We still have yet to see a Princess movie.  And I think that goes a LONG way in preventing a princess obsession).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I do disagree with the idea that a love for pink sparkly things is a parent induced preference.  My daughter, who was dressed in bright reds and other primary colors as often if not more than pink, whose bedroom is decorated in red, etc., is in. LOVE. with. pink.</p>
<p>Can we change that?  No.  But we do encourage that she try things on that aren&#8217;t pink, or that she play with toys that aren&#8217;t sparkly princess paraphenalia.  </p>
<p>And as a result?  She&#8217;ll happily play dinosaurs and cars as often as she plays baby dolls or wears fairy wings.  </p>
<p>But the love of pink and sparkles?  I certainly didn&#8217;t do a whit to encourage that.  it just was.  And is.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important, no matter what your child&#8217;s preference, to teach your kids to embrace the idea that nothing is ever, ever out of reach based on the fact that you&#8217;re of a particular gender.  </p>
<p>(We still have yet to see a Princess movie.  And I think that goes a LONG way in preventing a princess obsession).</p>
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